stefanie ([info]stefanie_bean) wrote,
@ 2008-07-16 15:40:00
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Even Phantom of Manhattan would have been better than this

From [info]realcdaae, who is sputtering in horror, the plot:

As for "Phantom . . . Once Upon Another Time": It's set in 1906 in Coney Island. The Phantom, aka Erik, having fled Paris, is running a freak show. At night, he crawls into his lair and makes love to an automaton that looks like Christine.

Christine, meanwhile, has become a famous opera singer. But she's fallen on hard times because her husband, Raoul, has squandered their fortune. So she's accepted a high-paying gig from a mysterious impresario to open a new amusement park. On her first night in New York, she draws back the curtain in her hotel suite and comes face to face with her new employer - flash of lightning, crash of chords - the Phantom!

Christine has a child, Gustave, but is his father Raoul or the Phantom? I can't tell you because no one's seen the second act yet.

But I can tell you that Raoul, who was so handsome in "The Phantom," is now a drunken wreck.


I have a few new readers perhaps less versed in Phantom of the Opera lore, so a bit of background. Once Upon Another Time is loosely based on action writer Frederick Forsythe's "approved" sequel to Andrew Lloyd-Webber's Phantom of the Opera stage play. In The Phantom of Manhattan, the Phantom has fled to New York, where he spends some time as an automaton-maker on Coney Island, and later becomes an engineering enterpreneur with a big corporation and a penthouse apartment. Like Cornelius Vanderbilt, who was snubbed by NY opera high society and denied a box in the "old" NY opera house, and who built the Metropolitan Opera to spite the snobs, Erik has built a splendid opera with which to lure his lost love Christine to the New World.

Christine obligingly shows up with her dutiful but sadly impotent husband Raoul in tow. Raoul has lost his manhood in some street fight where, to his credit, he was doing something noble (although I can't exactly remember what.) Anyway, nobility is in character for him, so that's not so bad. However, I hate this "impotent" or "sexless" or "banished from Christine's bedroom" Raoul theme, because what it boils down to is that Raoul - by having sex with his wife - is somehow Profaning the Sacred Vessel Worthy Only to Carry Erik's Very Special Sperm. In fact, irkage over that theme was one of the spurs which led me to write Phantoms of the Past, so that I could give Christine an Erik Love Child *and* a good sex life with Raoul too.

So, in the grand old tradition, also along for the ride is Christine's love child by Erik - nominally Raoul's, but sired upon Christine under unexplained circumstances one really can't picture in the musical.

Now it is no secret that I am highly partial to Raoul as a Phantom character - even in the ALW versions, especially stage!Raoul, whom I think is brave and loyal and full of warm masculine sex appeal. It is true that ALW is not kind to Raoul in his stage play, making him at the end a decrepit and wheelchair-bound wreck who clings to souvenirs of the past. However, in POM, at least he has stayed by Christine, even though his injury has made it perfectly clear that her son is not his.

We knew from press releases earlier that ALW did fire Frederick Forsythe as a script writer, and that there would be major changes from the POM storyline to Once Upon Another Time (OUAT.) But it's terribly disappointing that those changes have to take the hackneyed, cliched, fourteen-year-old-phanbrat route of Drunken!Abusive!Profligate!Gambling!Raoul.

As for the Phantom having a Christine!Real Doll, that's just too full of LULZ to be believed. I know some of the more talented among you can come up with a really obnoxious macro / motivational poster / movie poster to riff off Lars and the Real Girl. (You know who you are.) Or maybe ALW has been reading this chock-full of meta-y goodness thread on "Erik and the Real Girl," started by the astute [info]sabrinafair2.)

ETA: [info]my_daroga has the Best Crackfic Explanation ever. I am going to poke her repeatedly to encourage her to write it.



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[info]my_daroga
2008-07-16 08:45 pm UTC (link)
I am speechless. Luckily, I am typing.

Oh my god. WTF. And other cliches.

This is character assassination of everyone involved. I mean, every sentence in that description deserves a look askance and a question mark. This may be the stupidest POTO yet.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-16 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I like the Coney Island part; liked it in POM, even. But the rest ... ugh.

HOW CAN A STORY GENERATE SO MUCH WANK???

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[info]my_daroga
2008-07-16 09:33 pm UTC (link)
But do you like Erik running a freak show?

Here's the thing--some of the elements seem fine. If you're a good writer and want to explore certain themes. But I'm afraid that's not what's going to happen, here.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-16 09:37 pm UTC (link)
No, the freak show idea is just ... NO. But I did like Erik as an engineer/inventor in POM. Engineer!Erik doesn't get enough love.

LOL, I pimped you in an ETA above, too.

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[info]my_daroga
2008-07-16 09:38 pm UTC (link)
No, he doesn't, and he should. I agree. I'm not saying there aren't elements that would be neat to explore. I just don't trust anyone involved to do it.

And thanks! *blush*

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:46 pm UTC (link)
TRUST NO ONE

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[info]wilhelmina_d
2008-07-16 08:55 pm UTC (link)
You know, more and more I'm starting to think that ALW has turned into a money-grubbing idiot. After that travesty that was the movie version of the musical* I had hoped that he'd just leave the damn thing alone. Now he's doing this crap. Can we say "based on a Bettie Sue fantasy"?



* yes, I know some people liked it, but I'm a snob - I actually expect singers to be able to sing on key and actors to act rather than drift through a movie with an expression better suited to Bossie the Cow than a vital character. Not that I have strong feelings about this movie or anything. :)

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-16 09:31 pm UTC (link)
It's not clear whether this is supposed to be a stage musical sequel, or a movie sequel. ALW is really attached to this story, I agree.

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[info]peekadora
2008-07-16 09:13 pm UTC (link)
But you forgot the best part:
ALW gets sued by Mary Sue fanfic writers, enraged at ALW stealing their story plot.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-16 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Notice no word as to whether or not Christine gets killed at the end. What was your theory again about Sarah Brightman being in it, vs. not?

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[info]peekadora
2008-07-16 09:57 pm UTC (link)
If Brightman plays Christine then Christine will live.
Else Christine dies.
And the crowds rejoice.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-17 02:12 am UTC (link)
Haven't heard a word about Brightman, so I guess it's bye-bye Christine.

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[info]peekadora
2008-07-17 03:15 am UTC (link)
...and the chorus swells!

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:45 pm UTC (link)
If Brightman *does* star in it, ALW will put forth an E/C ending. I bet you any money he will have his librettist write out two versions (SB vs. /SB)

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[info]peekadora
2008-07-18 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Why not have the librettist write out a different song for each different decision and have "the audience decide" what the characters do like in those "choose your own adventure" books that were big during the `90's?

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[info]inlaterdays
2008-07-16 09:45 pm UTC (link)
I just can't even believe he's actually doing this.

I don't want my tragic anti-hero boinking the mannequin outside of fic :/

And I really don't want to hear a song about it.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-17 02:13 am UTC (link)
That's right - some things simply have to be reserved for fanfic! ; )

I can hear it now - something a lot like "Lonely Room" from Oklahoma. If they nab Schuler Hensley for this role I will put on a bunny suit and scream ...

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[info]hope_24
2008-07-16 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Bwah! It's drunken, abusive Raoul! As seen in approximately 98% of fanfiction! But does he have an ingenious plane?

And as for the automaton.....oh dear.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-17 02:16 am UTC (link)
Should I be alarmed that a google search of "raoul's ingenious plane" (with quotes) turned up three returns - two of which point to this LJ, and none of which have anything to do with said vehicle?

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[info]hope_24
2008-07-17 01:26 pm UTC (link)
That's my fault, sorry. Raoul should be spelled 'Roule' :

http://sueniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Roule%27s_Ingenious_Plane

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Arrrgh! Once you see it, you can't unsee it ...

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[info]nativedreamer
2008-07-17 05:53 am UTC (link)
Worthy Only to Carry Erik's Very Special Sperm.

lolol

OMG. This will either be very creepy or very funny. But does ALW have a sense of humor?

Then creepy it is....

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[info]nativedreamer
2008-07-18 08:08 pm UTC (link)
thanks for the mannequin link. I used to wonder what that oddity in the film meant and why Christine had a bizarre fainting reaction to it. That link sort of explains it for me.

But now I'm wondering about the next part of the movie where she wakes up without her stockings and gets out of bed as she's drawn to the phantom at the organ. Is her complete recovery from her previous shock further proof that they did something in bed that never made it to the screen?

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:35 pm UTC (link)
I wrote a little NSFW short story about that very question awhile ago ... :wicked grin:

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:43 pm UTC (link)
OMG. This will either be very creepy or very funny.

It will be very funny - but not at $75 a ticket. Anyway, I am on fire to know if Christine eats a bullet in the end, as she does in Phantom of Manhattan. Daughter L. thinks that it all depends on whether or not Sarah Brightman plays Christine. If she does, Christine gets a thumbs up. If not, it's curtains for her...

My personal view is that if Brightman *does* star in it, ALW will produce an E/C ending.

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[info]thiscorpsebride
2008-07-17 11:54 am UTC (link)
"Profaning the Sacred Vessel Worthy Only to Carry Erik's Very Special Sperm". Stefanie, it's brilliant - I almost fell off the chair while reading this, I laughed so hard :))). But the whole thing makes me really sad. Is it about money or about lack of success lately?
By the way, is it true that Ben Elton is going to write the lyrics to this (supposedly dreadful) show?

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[info]gwynevere1
2008-07-17 03:48 pm UTC (link)
No, Glenn Slater is the lyricist.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:41 pm UTC (link)
I don't think ALW needs any more money, and he's already a complete household word when it comes to musical theater. If I were pinned to the wall, I'd say that it's because he is *not over Sarah Brightman yet ...*

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[info]gwynevere1
2008-07-17 01:41 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Andrew. Your first clue should have been that you needed to get your audience drunk first.

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[info]stefanie_bean
2008-07-18 08:40 pm UTC (link)
I could watch this while drunk ... but not at theater prices. Maybe from the free seats at the Muny ...

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